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	<title>Comments on: New Storm Clouds on the Credit Horizon</title>
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		<title>By: zerosum</title>
		<link>http://www.stocktock.com/2009/01/09/new-storm-clouds-on-the-credit-horizon/comment-page-1/#comment-23138</link>
		<dc:creator>zerosum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>buy the above mentioned on the huge dips...hopefully just after you&#039;ve successfully unloaded your short positions.   :)   i think it will be sooner than we think...no one is every truly ready for the black swan....or they&#039;d be grey swans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buy the above mentioned on the huge dips&#8230;hopefully just after you&#8217;ve successfully unloaded your short positions.   <img src='http://www.stocktock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    i think it will be sooner than we think&#8230;no one is every truly ready for the black swan&#8230;.or they&#8217;d be grey swans.</p>
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		<title>By: zerosum</title>
		<link>http://www.stocktock.com/2009/01/09/new-storm-clouds-on-the-credit-horizon/comment-page-1/#comment-23136</link>
		<dc:creator>zerosum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>japan&#039;s appetite for treasuries should also wane....

what happens to a stock (company) when it floats a bond issue and it goes bad...cost of capital is up...blood in the water for the shorts....it becomes a pariah.

U.S. treasuries will go up generating a push up to all debt rates...worse though it will lead to the final realization that we as a country are bankrupt (not technically because we have our own printing press...and it will run as last resort to keep things going in the face of political suicide to not &quot;do something&quot;) i fear we will lose reserve currency status and panic from the dollar will ensue...

my thought is to buy american stocks of companies that produce commodities priced on the world market...commodities of essentials such as coal oil food etc.  I would be skittish of companies with to much overseas holdings as trade wars will likely happen as a crisis response...nationalizations will occur.  Gold, some, but remember it was confiscated in depression...the gov&#039;t will do WHATEVER it takes to quell any potential uprisings...have some actual money in your wallet, silver dollars, etc..............i fear it could get much worse (after all the abyss...is an unfathomable place...black swan events will occur) before it gets better...but a nation spoiled on debt could rise a new and restored...albeit with a standard of living far more comparable to our trade partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>japan&#8217;s appetite for treasuries should also wane&#8230;.</p>
<p>what happens to a stock (company) when it floats a bond issue and it goes bad&#8230;cost of capital is up&#8230;blood in the water for the shorts&#8230;.it becomes a pariah.</p>
<p>U.S. treasuries will go up generating a push up to all debt rates&#8230;worse though it will lead to the final realization that we as a country are bankrupt (not technically because we have our own printing press&#8230;and it will run as last resort to keep things going in the face of political suicide to not &#8220;do something&#8221;) i fear we will lose reserve currency status and panic from the dollar will ensue&#8230;</p>
<p>my thought is to buy american stocks of companies that produce commodities priced on the world market&#8230;commodities of essentials such as coal oil food etc.  I would be skittish of companies with to much overseas holdings as trade wars will likely happen as a crisis response&#8230;nationalizations will occur.  Gold, some, but remember it was confiscated in depression&#8230;the gov&#8217;t will do WHATEVER it takes to quell any potential uprisings&#8230;have some actual money in your wallet, silver dollars, etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..i fear it could get much worse (after all the abyss&#8230;is an unfathomable place&#8230;black swan events will occur) before it gets better&#8230;but a nation spoiled on debt could rise a new and restored&#8230;albeit with a standard of living far more comparable to our trade partners.</p>
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		<title>By: zerosum</title>
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		<dc:creator>zerosum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or perhaps &quot;a rose&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or perhaps &#8220;a rose&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom (formally known as tom)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom (formally known as tom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE CHINA FACTOR:

I think that it is critical for us to come to grips that China will not buy as much debt in the future.    

Not only has their source of revenue dramatically decreased, but they also need the money more than ever at home.  In addition, for Obama&#039;s plan to work, we must &#039;buy American&#039; more than ever and that will decrease the Chinese bond thirst even further.  China will continue to buy debt, but it will decrease just when we need it the most.  I challenge anyone to dispute this.  It will happen and be front page news.

So!  What should you do to plan for it? 

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/07/business/yuan.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE CHINA FACTOR:</p>
<p>I think that it is critical for us to come to grips that China will not buy as much debt in the future.    </p>
<p>Not only has their source of revenue dramatically decreased, but they also need the money more than ever at home.  In addition, for Obama&#8217;s plan to work, we must &#8216;buy American&#8217; more than ever and that will decrease the Chinese bond thirst even further.  China will continue to buy debt, but it will decrease just when we need it the most.  I challenge anyone to dispute this.  It will happen and be front page news.</p>
<p>So!  What should you do to plan for it? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/07/business/yuan.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/07/business/yuan.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom (formally known as tom)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom (formally known as tom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly believe Mav is Mav.  For if Mav was not Mav, he would go by another name, like Madona or Batman or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly believe Mav is Mav.  For if Mav was not Mav, he would go by another name, like Madona or Batman or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one! <img src='http://www.stocktock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mav</title>
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		<dc:creator>mav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not bull, I am not a bear. I am mav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not bull, I am not a bear. I am mav</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been indications that Congress will revamp the Tarp program to make it less favorable to the banks.  Does anyone think the weakness in financials is related to this ?  I&#039;m also getting the feeling the euphoria over a new administration is beginning to wear off before it even gets started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been indications that Congress will revamp the Tarp program to make it less favorable to the banks.  Does anyone think the weakness in financials is related to this ?  I&#8217;m also getting the feeling the euphoria over a new administration is beginning to wear off before it even gets started.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mav, 

Market is not a game with set time limits. Bulls win some bears win some - depending on the time window. But, fundamentals favor one over the other in certain time windows. I believe now they favor bear case. Also, bulls vs. bears is not a debate like left vs. right, nor do you need to give equal time for both. 

At the risk of sounding defensive - I am not a permabear. I made the most money as a bull in the bear market of 2000-2003 by buying beaten down out of favor stocks. I will do the same this time also, but the time is not right, yet.

if you have been following my intraday comments, you would know that while I am bearish on overall market, I have been saying some of the beaten down stocks are forming a base and could rally - the likes of CBG, DDR, GGP. Ironically, these are commercial real estate plays and am very bearish on the sector. GGP is almost sure to file for bankruptcy. But I am bullish on the stock.

That said, &lt;b&gt;what I say may not be what you want to hear, but that is how I see it. If you are bullish and want to hear what you want to hear, just tune to CNBC.. :-)&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mav, </p>
<p>Market is not a game with set time limits. Bulls win some bears win some &#8211; depending on the time window. But, fundamentals favor one over the other in certain time windows. I believe now they favor bear case. Also, bulls vs. bears is not a debate like left vs. right, nor do you need to give equal time for both. </p>
<p>At the risk of sounding defensive &#8211; I am not a permabear. I made the most money as a bull in the bear market of 2000-2003 by buying beaten down out of favor stocks. I will do the same this time also, but the time is not right, yet.</p>
<p>if you have been following my intraday comments, you would know that while I am bearish on overall market, I have been saying some of the beaten down stocks are forming a base and could rally &#8211; the likes of CBG, DDR, GGP. Ironically, these are commercial real estate plays and am very bearish on the sector. GGP is almost sure to file for bankruptcy. But I am bullish on the stock.</p>
<p>That said, <b>what I say may not be what you want to hear, but that is how I see it. If you are bullish and want to hear what you want to hear, just tune to CNBC.. <img src='http://www.stocktock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </b></p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mav,
Mohan is right.
If you know the bull website, you will see there are a lot of them. Right now, you are in bear camp. If the market goes up, it means at least somebody is buying.

And some people are waiting at SPY=89 to buy stocks. Idan used to be very bearish, and last week, he actually wanted to buy at SPY=90. 

With CITI group right in the middle of the stage, I would not consider any long.

SPY could go under 87 again if CITI is in trouble. Watchout XLF all the time. If it broke 11.46, where is the next stop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mav,<br />
Mohan is right.<br />
If you know the bull website, you will see there are a lot of them. Right now, you are in bear camp. If the market goes up, it means at least somebody is buying.</p>
<p>And some people are waiting at SPY=89 to buy stocks. Idan used to be very bearish, and last week, he actually wanted to buy at SPY=90. </p>
<p>With CITI group right in the middle of the stage, I would not consider any long.</p>
<p>SPY could go under 87 again if CITI is in trouble. Watchout XLF all the time. If it broke 11.46, where is the next stop?</p>
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